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54 COUNSEL'S CORNER Does the CFPB Really Understand Non-Judicial Foreclosures? Angela Kleine is a partner with Morrison & Foerster's San Francisco office. She is member of the firm's Financial Services Litigation Group and her practice focuses on complex civil litigation and enforcement. She recently spoke with DS News regarding an amicus curiae brief filed by the CFPB in the Ninth Circuit case of Ho v. ReconTrust; the brief argued that a trustee is engaging in debt collection by sending consumers notices stating that non-judicial foreclosure will occur if the borrower does not pay off his or her debt. e case is currently pending. What is the CFPB's stake in this issue? e FDCPA is a very powerful statute. It touches a lot of areas of consumer protection. e CFPB is really just exploring it and flexing its muscles in that area. It's working on rule-making for the statute, which it is in power to do under Dodd-Frank, and it's taking its time doing that. e CFPB recently put up a complaints database and has been trumpeting data that it received about complaints, which not surpris- ingly was largely one-sided. Consumers complain about debt collection a lot because it's a difficult situ- ation to be in. In the meantime, the FTC has really continued to dominate the enforcement in this area. So I think in the long term, we see the CFPB mov- ing more aggressively into the space and wielding the tool that is powerful, especially once it implements rules, in part because the penalties that are available under the FDCPA can be significant. So how does that relate to the more specific issue and technical issue of a trustee in a non-judicial fore- closure? e specific issue could arguably be seen as relatively minor in comparison by trustee, because the CFPB has targeted lenders and servicers more force- fully. But it's an important position statement because the CFPB has taken a broad approach that has broad impacts for other entities. Also, (the CFPB's filing of the amicus brief) reflects a lack of understanding of state foreclosure law that is somewhat disturbing and doesn't bode well for the CFPB's rule-making and enforcement efforts in that area. Has there ever been any question as to whether this violates the FDCPA prior to the CFPB fil- ing this amicus brief? On the specific question of trustees' provision of notices in non-judicial states, the trustee practice is very standard. Many state laws, including California, have very specific requirements about what the trustee under the deed of trust must send out and when. e law has been relatively clear that trustees aren't within the purview of the FDCPA, especially when they're the original trustee under the deed of trust, as the trustee was here. Otherwise, it really doesn't make sense in the context of the statute that is aimed at debt collectors and not trustees that are enforcing security interest in the way that trustees are. ere is a second and related issue that is trickier, which is that many courts have held that anyone conducting a non-judicial foreclosure, whether you're a trustee or someone else, is in debt collection under the statute. ere is a carve-out for security interest in the FDCPA that is written in an unclear way. So there's some debate about whether foreclosure in the non-judicial foreclosure is or is not covered. I think the right answer in California is that it shouldn't be, because non-judicial foreclosure is completely distinct from collecting on the loan. So for example, if you go bankrupt and your loan is extinguished, the security interest remains, and if you conversely go through non-judicial foreclosure, you can't seek a deficiency judgment, so whatever you owe on your loan is wiped out. So it's really very distinctly different from debt collection in California. e CFPB is looking at states and cases that involve judicial foreclosure, which is a completely different scenario, and again I think misinterprets the law that applies in California. If the Ninth Circuit Court reverses the district court's decision as the CFPB is asking and rules that trustees are defined as debt col- lectors under the FDCPA, what effect will it have on the mortgage industry in non-judicial foreclosure states? is might sound like a niche- technical issue, but it's not, because what the CFPB is advocating for puts trustees and servicers in non- judicial foreclosure states in an impossible position. ey have to choose between violating state law or violating the FDCPA as interpreted by the Bureau. at was pointed out by amici, who submitted very well-written and cogent briefs, and the CFPB's response was that to the extent that it conflicts, state laws are pre-empted. at is a convenient position for them to take, but I somewhat doubt that state regula- tors would necessarily agree, and it's certainly not a settled issue of law. So you're really between a rock and a hard place. And I don't think it really solves the problem because it doesn't appreciate the really fundamental conflicts that would be created. You're grafting requirements of a federal statute about debt collection onto a non-judicial foreclosure in a way that makes the process untenable. For example, all of the initial communications that you have to send out under the FDCPA are inconsistent with what's required in California. You're then prohibited from communicating with third parties, whereas California law requires that you send a notice at vari- ous stages to third parties. It goes on and on and on. Every single step of the process is inconsistent. So the really complex compliance and operational programs businesses have in place to comply with the state law of every state, and every state is different, wouldn't work. Of course, either way, whichever law you not comply with, you face stiff penalties and private causes of action for failure to comply. ANGELA KLEINE: PARTNER, MORRISON & FOERSTER